Disciples of the Emergent Church

Disciples of the Emergent Church

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The following articles have been written by different authors, please take time and consider their supposition before coming to a premature verdict.

Please take note and be warned!

How is it possible that we make such fatal mistakes by following certain people and think we are still in right standing with God!? We must have been misled in some or the other way and this has caused our discernment to deteriorate, if we ever had discernment! We have moved from using Scripture as our basis for discernment to some other way of getting to the Status Quo in the Church. This pertaining to the Calvinistic as well as the Pentecostal and Charismatic sides of the theological spectrum.

The Calvinistic presupposition that the Gifts of the Spirit have ended with the Acts Church has cost us dearly when you look at the history of our beloved country. This of course, contradictory to Scripture. When you look at what the other side of the theological spectrum have done and are doing with the Gifts, contrary to Scripture it might be understandable to some extent!

The Gifts of the Spirit have not ended but it must be practiced very conservatively and in accordance with Scripture. Stating that it doesn’t exist contradicts Scripture and to say that it has to be practiced in the way that the many Charismatic and Pentecostals do, also contradicts Scripture.

Thus we have to use discernment with exegesis of Scripture and be careful whom we follow. Sound exegesis comes from serious Bible study, knowledge of the Word of God and application of principles used by The Lord Himself and the disciples when dealing with Scripture.

If you listen to people who don’t go about this with the necessary discernment they could lead you down the road to Babylon. The one side of the spectrum doesn’t see it because they think they cannot be deceived because they are the elect and the other side doesn’t care because they are on such a high.

The question still being, what will we do at the end of this? Will we repent and listen to God for a change and really apply the mind in studying The Word of God and then have the courage to do what He says? This for our and our family’s sakes!! Or will we end up in Babylon?

Revelation 18:4 I heard another voice from heaven, saying, “Come out of her, my people, so that you will not participate in her sins and receive of her plagues;

We have a choice, other than the Calvinistic presupposition about the non existence of the free will!!

Revelation 3:13 ‘He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’

Let the following not be true of us!

Revelation 3:14 “To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God, says this:
Revelation 3:15 ‘I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot; I wish that you were cold or hot.
Revelation 3:16 ‘So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth.
Revelation 3:17 ‘Because you say, “I am rich, and have become wealthy, and have need of nothing,” and you do not know that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked,

Will we listen!!

Revelation 3:18 I advise you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself, and that the shame of your nakedness will not be revealed; and eye salve to anoint your eyes so that you may see.

Do you use any of these people’s Books, Teachings or Quotes!? Why!? Is the Word of God not sufficient!?

Please stop following the avalanche away from God’s Word! How will we know who they are and what they stand for?

Just let them speak then you will know, as you can see! The question being, do you want to see the reality?

Let them say Shibboleth! They can’t anymore, if they ever could!

Judges 12:5 The Gileadites captured the fords of the Jordan opposite Ephraim. And it happened when any of the fugitives of Ephraim said, “Let me cross over,” the men of Gilead would say to him, “Are you an Ephraimite?” If he said, “No,”

Judges 12:6 then they would say to him, “Say now, ‘Shibboleth.'” But he said, “Sibboleth,” for he could not pronounce it correctly. Then they seized him and slew him at the fords of the Jordan. Thus there fell at that time 42,000 of Ephraim.

I do not for one moment invoke aggression but I make a plea that we stop the toleration of the misuse of the Word of God and that we stand up for the Word of God!

If they say “Sibboleth”, the wrong pronunciation, or in other words, if they don’t say what the Bible says, let them be removed from amongst us. They shouldn’t be counted amongst us.

What in effect is happening now in practice is that we, whom actually stand up for the Word of God, are being sidelined and are ravaged by the intruders and we feel unwanted in the Churches whom go along with these people.

Proverbs 16:25 There is a way which seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death.

False Prophets

2 Peter 2:1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.
2 Peter 2:2 Many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned;
2 Peter 2:3 and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.

The Approved

1 Corinthians 11:18 For, in the first place, when you come together as a church, I hear that divisions exist among you; and in part I believe it.
1 Corinthians 11:19 For there must also be factions among you, so that those who are approved may become evident among you.

Will we listen to the Word of God!

Revelation 2:18 “And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write: The Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet are like burnished bronze, says this:
Revelation 2:19 ‘I know your deeds, and your love and faith and service and perseverance, and that your deeds of late are greater than at first.

But!

For those swept about by this avalanche and tolerate her and her teachings!

Revelation 2:20 ‘But I have this against you, that you tolerate the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, and she teaches and leads My bond-servants astray so that they commit acts of immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols.
Revelation 2:21 ‘I gave her time to repent, and she does not want to repent of her immorality.
Revelation 2:22 ‘Behold, I will throw her on a bed of sickness, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of her deeds.
Revelation 2:23 ‘And I will kill her children with pestilence, and all the churches will know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts; and I will give to each one of you according to your deeds.

Will we be counted amongst those whom hold fast!

Revelation 2:24 ‘But I say to you, the rest who are in Thyatira, who do not hold this teaching, who have not known the deep things of Satan, as they call them–I place no other burden on you.
Revelation 2:25 ‘Nevertheless what you have, hold fast until I come.


 

Deception in the Church

Deception in the Church have many articles exposing the false teachings of the Emerging/Emergent “Church”.

Lighthouse Trails Research Projects

Lighthouse Trails Research Projects have many articles exposing the false teachings of the Emerging/Emergent “Church”.

“While Rick Warren, Dan Kimball and Dr. Robert Webber and others may be excited about the ‘Emerging Church’ and the direction it is presently headed, I am concerned the ‘Emerging Church’ may actually be a re-emergence of what has already occurred in church history. If the pattern continues expect to see evangelical Protestants become more and more Roman Catholic.” — Roger Oakland, Understand the Times, Read Entire Article.

Emerging Church Quotes compiled by Sandy Simpson

Many articles exposing the false teachings of the Emerging/Emergent “Church”.

Olive Tree Ministries by Jan Markell >>>

Understand the Times (Roger Oakland) >>>

The Berean Call (Dave Hunt) >>>

Moriel Ministries (Jacob Prasch) >>>


Are Ron Martoia, Stephan Joubert and Nelus Niemandt Experts in their Field? >>>

tom-stephan-joubert Lifestyle C / Leefstyl C nelus-niemandt Lifestyle C / Leefstyl C

ron-martoiaSo Ron Martoia was invited to South Africa to speak at the Pierre van Ryneveldt NG Kerk on the 28th August 2009 on “Transforming Church the 2009 Way”.   The speakers were:   Ron Martoia, Stephan Joubert and Nelus Niemandt.

The topic that Ron Martoia spoke on was ‘Vertical Development and a Spirituality of Awareness’.   The anticipation to hear this expert in the field of Transformational Architecture speak was overwhelming.  What was Ron going to say that would be any different to Brian McLaren, Rob Bell, Scot McKnight, Shane Hipps, Leonard Sweet, Karen Armstrong, Phyllis Tickle and William Torbet et al?

Well nothing.

-The end-

Oh sorry, what did Nelus Niemandt speak about?
Nelus spoke about a bridge (only because Brian McLaren spoke about it once)  and Stephan Joubert made the question session as short as possible to avoid any serious questioning.

Then Stephan Joubert made this comment on twitter

“weird to see how some show up at conferences only to find reasons to disagree with the speakers and nail them on websites. Why?”  –   9:24 AM Aug 29th http://twitter.com/stephanjoubert/status/3627339939

In future, to make sure that you only have ‘like minded’ people attend your secret gatherings please add a notice, preferably in big print that says: “All welcome, but please leave your brains at the door’.

Why are all these ‘conferences’ held during the week when the general public or the church can’t attend?  Oh wait I forgot, it’s a SECRET place.  You don’t want your church members to attend as they might get the shock of their lives to hear the rubbish that is spoken against Jesus Christ – you know things like:

You are invited to “The Everything Must Change Tour” [Excerpts] Link to Article

The Berean Call

According to her resume, Capshaw works with Dr. Ron Martoia who “is a transformational architect . . . . His area of expertise is on the new and shifting

A weekend with Brian McLaren and friends.

McLaren has joined forces with individuals such as Linnea NIlsen Capshaw. According to her resume, Capshaw works with Dr. Ron Martoia who “is a transformational architect . . . . His area of expertise is on the new and shifting landscape of church/cultural intersection, where he helps churches consider how they can shift their theological outlook which in turn will shift and adjust their ministry trajectory and cultural interface. . . . Ron is using his cultural intonation to help churches shift paradigms from the old Newtonian world to the Quantum world of the 21st century context

“In addition to monthly consultations, Ron currently facilitates a new experimental learning community model in Jackson, Michigan called Vortex. Meeting in an arts enclave with over 20 other artists, there are weekly facilitated conversations on everything from string theory and the origins of the universe to the insights of Aristotle on personal development, as well as theological discussions about world religions and global spiritual formation praxis. Vortex hosts immersive learning experiences as well as weekly yoga classes. This experiment hopes to be part of shaping a new learning container for 21st century spiritual and personal formation.”


Scott McKnight scott-mcknight Lifestyle C / Leefstyl C

Coming From the Lighthouse Newsletter

Emergent leaders? Paving the way to Apostasy!

“In emerging church leader, Scot McKnight’s book, The Real Mary: Why Evangelical Christians Can Embrace the Mother of Jesus, McKnight says that Protestant Christians are the only Christians who do not honor Mary. He recommends that Protestant churches all practice an “Honor Mary Day” (p. 144), saying she “leads us to a Jesus who brings redemption … To listen to Mary is to hear the message of Jesus’ death and resurrection as a mega-event whereby God established a new kind of power, a new kind of family, and a new kind of kingdom” (p. 145). McKnight describes this great event as a time when the world will come together and worship Mary.

Today, Christendom has become filled with leaders who have lost their way. If Christian leaders like David Jeremiah and Josh McDowell, who are now promoting emerging leaders, continue in their present direction, they will be responsible for countless lives losing their chances for hearing the true gospel, and these leaders will be helping pave the way for an interspiritual, mystical, apostate religion.”

Quote of his on Theopedia.

“I agree with the many who have commented that the Table is not designed for the pure, the righteous, or the perfect, but for the impure, for the unrighteous, and for the imperfect. I see no difference: if anyone is seeking God’s grace and God’s blessing through Jesus Christ, they should be welcomed to the Table of the Lord. The Table is for cracked Eikons, and only for cracked Eikons. The one thing clear from Jesus’ table fellowship is that his opponents wanted purity before fellowship, and Jesus created purity out of fellowship with him.”

Article On the Theological Front


 

Richard Fosterrichard-foster Lifestyle C / Leefstyl C

Response To A Defender Of Richard Foster by James Sundquist, 12/04

A Call To Repentance by Dave Hunt, The Berean Call, 11/06

Reiki, Thomas Merton and Richard Foster by Ray Yungen, From the Lighthouse, 11/07

Richard Foster by Roger Oakland, Understanding The Times, 4/1/08
Richard Foster, a promoter of contemplative prayer is a student of Thomas Merton. In a previous program we documented that Merton learned his procedures for contemplative prayer from Buddhists and Hindus. So what about Foster? Does he also believe you can Christianize messages from demons?

More on Richard Foster: Lighthouse Trails Research Project


Brian McLarenbrian-mclaren Lifestyle C / Leefstyl C

Students Fight for Homosexual Rights on Christian Campuses . . . And Emerging Church Leaders Must Share Blame

Brian McLaren Calls Hell and the Cross “False Advertising for God”

For more research on McLaren’s teachings and views, click here.

Brian McLaren Imagining A Different God by Ken Silva, 9/4/09
Today McLaren informs us that: “Sister Joan Chittister writes a provocative reflection on God and evolution, and on the God of evolution, here. (Thanks Mike Todd!) There are strong resonances between what Joan is saying and what my upcoming book explores. Most of us grew up learning about the God of Laws, the God who made sense in Sir Isaac Newton’s mechanistic universe. (Nothing expressed this contextualization better than the little booklet “Four Spiritual Laws,” which could have been called “Four Spiritual Mechanisms.”) Now, we are struggling to imagine a bigger God, a God who makes sense in the evolutionary universe of Darwin, Einstein, LeMaitre, Hubble, Heisenberg, and Kuhn …” (Online source)

Brian McLaren: A Prime Example Of Diaprax by Sandy Simpson, 2/16/06

I have written in a previous article called The Emerging/Emergent Church and their use of “Diaprax” briefly detailing the use of the Hegelian Dialectic and praxis (Diaprax) by New Apostolic and Emerging Church leaders.  What I want to show in this article is a perfect example of Diaprax in the teachings of Brian McLaren, a main leader in the Emerging Church.  If you want to read the entire transcript of “An New Kind Of Christian – Part 1”, a video teaching by Brian McLaren, you can access it here. When you watch, be aware of the intentional and perhaps even unintentional uses of brainwashing techniques.  I will only quote certain parts of McLaren’s teachings in order to emphasize the use of Diaprax as well as other false teachings.

The Emerging/Emergent Church – and their use of “diaprax”

The concept of the Emerging Church, as advertised worldwide in books, the web and on TV by the likes of Brian Mclaren, Leonard Sweet, Richard Foster, Dan Kimball, Rick Warren, Ken Blanchard and a whole host of others, seeks to cater to the postmodern mindset while using diaprax to achieve its goals.

Christianity Defaced as Leader of Emergent Church Movement Embraces Mysticism by Richard Bennett, 3/06

Brian McLaren – Emerging, But Into What? by Lighthouse Trails A good page of articles on McLaren.

Brian McLaren – A True Son Of Lucifer by Jacob Prasch, Moriel Ministries, 3/06

A New Vision For God’s Kingdom on Earth by Lighthouse Trails Research, 1/30/07

Emergent Delusion A Critique of Brian McLaren,
A Generous Orthodoxy, by Pastor Bob DeWaay

More on Brian McLaren:

Lighthouse Trails Research Project


 

Leonard Sweetleonard-sweet Lifestyle C / Leefstyl C

Eastern Regional Watch Ministries (ERWM)Emerging Church
by Steve Muse
Great apologetics site on Emerging Church.

Ding Dong, Ding Dong, Wake up Leonard Sweet!
by Sandy Simpson, 11/27/05

This article will expose Leonard Sweet as a postmodernist who apparently is so caught up in his postmodern paradigm shift that he is unable to think clearly at all, let alone teach.

Satan, The First Postmodernist by Sandy Simpson, 12/1/05

Leonard Sweet: Quantum Spirituality and a Christ Consciousness! by Lighthouse Trails

“The new focus is on unity — a world-wide oneness reflected in the growing union between the East and West. Leonard Sweet’s online book, Quantum Spirituality, sheds some revealing light of the envisioned global “church” for the 21st century. In his view, the offense of the cross has been replaced with a passion for interfaith peace and possibility-thinking. To illustrate this point, Dr. Sweet points to Thomas Merton, the popular Catholic author who popularized mysticism and died in Asia searching the depths of Tibetan Buddhism.” The Emerging Global Church by Berit Kjos

In a classic case of the dialectic process, Leonard Sweet has declared, “ …the old model of church is killing the West,” at a conference at Baylor University. Sweet continues to state, “in the midst of an ever-changing culture, and more specifically, postmodernism the church must become missional, relational and incarnational, rather than remain attractional, propositional and colonial.” In layman’s terms…the emergent way is in, the seeker-sensitive is out. Perhaps the seeker-sensitive way is the first step toward the emergent way, with the final destination for Rome ?

Lighthouse Trails Research Project


 

Rick Warrenrick-warren Lifestyle C / Leefstyl C

The False Teaching of Rick Warren’s Clan

Shibboleth by Jamie Smith

Dr. Oz Accused of Medical “Quackery” While His New Age/Spiritual “Quackery” Goes Unaddressed by Rick Warren and the Church

Pope Francis U.S. Visit 2015 Schedule and Dates: Pontiff Invites Rick Warren To Speak at Philadelphia Conference on Family

Learn To Love Jesus Christ! By Rick Warren, Ladies Home Journal.Refutation by Sandy Simpson

Warren-Driven or Bible-Obedient?
By Sandy Simpson

Purpose Driven Life – one of the major avenues through which contemplative spirituality is entering the church

The “Wonderful” Deception of the Purpose Driven Paradigm

More:

The Gospel: A Method or a Message? How the Purpose Driven Life Obscures the Gospel – Bob De Waay

The Bible study my friend attended was really a Purpose Driven Life study group.   The Purpose Driven Life book they were studying referenced Bible passages that sounded off base. He was told that if he was going to attend the study, he would have to leave his Bible at home, because the issues he brought up were disruptive to the group. He chose to quit instead.

Lighthouse Trails Research Project

Special Report:Rick Warren’s New Health and Wellness Initiative Could Have Profound Repercussions on Many

Emanuel Swedenborg’s Occultic Beliefs Influence Rick Warren’s Health Advisor and Now the Christian Church

The “Wonderful” Deception of the Purpose Driven Paradigm

Rick Warren “Annoyed” with Those Who Challenge Him – Serving Two Masters Not Working

Purpose Driven Life – one of the major avenues through which contemplative spirituality is entering the church

The Emerging Church emerging, but not with the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Willow Creek – Bill Hybels church another major influence in bringing contemplative/emerging into the church

Christian Seminaries & Colleges—leading our future pastors and Christian leaders into the new spirituality

Christian Publishers —succumbing to the temptation to publish books promoting contemplative and emerging spirituality

The Spiritual Formation Movement —another way of saying contemplative spirituality

Mystical Rituals —labyrinths, contemplative prayer, lectio divina, breath prayer, yoga, Taize and other rituals

The Shack —William Paul Young’s best-selling novel is a bridge to the new spirituality

For more Related Articles on the PurPose Driven Movement,
click here

Rick Warren’s Bob DeWaay exposes this fatal flaw in his new book Redefining Christianity.


 

Nelus Niemandtnelus-niemandt Lifestyle C / Leefstyl C

Nuwe Drome vir Nuwe Werklikhede” (new dreams for new realities)

tom-nuwe-drome-vir-nuwe-werklikhede-boek Lifestyle C / Leefstyl C

Quote from: Nuwe drome vir nuwe Werklikhede, Nelus Niemandt, Page 81

This is an example of activities on This Website which he condones!

Mark Baker talks to Tony Jones about Atonement

Comment on Jones’s position :

Take away the cross….take away Jesus. Are you prepared to do that????

The way into the Kingdom is THROUGH THE CROSS!!!

Quotes from “Nuwe Drome vir Nuwe Werklikhede”

“EMERGENT IS . . . …Emergent is a growing generative friendship among mission! Christian leaders seeking to love our world in the Spirit of Jesus Christ. Our dream is to join in the activity of God in the world wherever we are able, so that God’s dreams for our world come true. In the process, the world can be healed and changed, and so can we.”  Nuwe drome vir nuwe Werklikhede, Nelus Niemandt, Page 81

“I have been told that I need to believe in Jesus. Which is a good thing. But what I am learning is that Jesus believes in me. I have been told that I need to have faith in God. Which is a good thing. But what I am learning is that God has faith in me. The Rabbi thinks we can be like him.”
– Rob Bell, Nuwe drome vir nuwe Werklikhede, Nelus Niemandt,Page 78

“The greatest enemy to the movement of Jesus Christ is Christianity.”
– Erwin Raphael McManus
Nuwe drome vir nuwe Werklikhede, Nelus Niemandt,Page 13

Christian Chaos – Thomas Bandy, 1999
“The real world is a world of chaos. Culture is changing so quickly, with such diversity, in so many simultaneous directions, and using so many learning methods, that church groups organized around traditional principles can’t keep up”
“Chaos connects our everyday experiences to the laws of nature by revealing the subtle relationships between simplicity and complexity and between ordeliness and randomness”     – Ziauddin Sardar en Iwona Abrams in Introducing Chaos.
Nuwe drome vir nuwe Werklikhede, Nelus Niemandt,Page 28

“Die klassieke Christendom waarin die sakramentele en misterieuse ‘n groter rol speel, beleef die teenwoordigheid van god nie as afhanklik van woorde en gedagtes nie. Dit maak dat hulle makliker kan rus in die onsigbare werklikheid van God se hier-wees.”
– Willem Nicol
Nuwe drome vir nuwe Werklikhede, Nelus Niemandt,Page 31

Lees ’n boek,   Mission Mover – Beyond Education for Church Leadership – Thomas Bandy, 2004
“Christian modernity has shaped itself around the theological categories and issues of the Reformation; postmodern experience is too much like that of earliest times”
Nuwe drome vir nuwe Werklikhede, Nelus Niemandt,Page 40

“Dit gebeur baiekeer dat ‘n kerk se teologiese opleiding die grootste rede vir ‘n kerk se oneffektiwiteit is.”  — Christian Schwartz
Nuwe drome vir nuwe Werklikhede, Nelus Niemandt,Page 40

“A sea change of transitions and transformations is birthing a whole new world and a whole new set of ways of making our way in the world.”
– Leonard Sweet in Soul Tsunami
Nuwe drome vir nuwe Werklikhede, Nelus Niemandt,Page 58


 

Stephan Jouberttom-stephan-joubert Lifestyle C / Leefstyl C

Stephan Joubert writes the introduction of Nelus Niemandt’s book and his remarksspeak for it self!

“My kop is geswaai
My belewing van hierdie boek

“Nelus Niemandt is een van die invloedrykste denkers en missionêre Suid-Afrikaanse teoloë aan die begin van millennium drie. Sy insigte in ingewikkelde sosio-religieuse vraagstukke is asemrowend, sy nederigheid aansteeklik en sy vermoë om eietydse kontekste en Bybelse kontekste op verstaanbare maniere aan mekaar te knoop, sonder weerga. Daarom dat ek nie kon wag om hierdie boek te lees nie. Wat ‘n absolute juweel. Nuwe drome vir nuwe werklikhede is kop-oopmaak materiaal. Dis propvol wêreldverskuiwende woorde!

Nelus se verstaan van “Christenheid” en die bedreiging wat dit inhou vir die evangelie, saam met ‘n indringende profiel van die post-modernisme en huidige kerklike gestaltes het my ure se genoegdoening verskaf. Nelus vra egter nie net kritiese vrae terwyl hy uitgediende kerklike maskers op meesterlike wyse rondom ons almal afhaal nie. Hy praat juis hooptaal deur nege vars nuwe geloofspraktyke vir ontluikende kerke op ons etenstafel neer te sit. Ewe aangrypend, oog-oopmakend en uitdagend is sy insigte in missionêre gemeentes in die laaste hoofstuk van die bock.

Nuwe drome vir nuwe werklikhede is sonder twyfel die belangrikste boek op die Suid-Afrikaanse kerklike toneel oor die afgelope klompie jare. Dit is horison­verskuiwend en kontekstueel. Dit is deurdag, simpatiek, ontblotend, gevaarlik, maar altyd goeie medisyne! Terselfdertyd bied hierdie boek fantastiese hulpmiddels tot eksperimentering vir alle oopkop, saamdinkende gelowiges, met stylvolle visuele toepassings en roerende verhale oor ontluikende kerke.

Nuwe drome vir nuwe werklikhede het my kop van voor af geswaai. Dit is goed, groot en groots! Nelus het goed daarin geslaag om die insigte van die mees invloedryke eietydse denkers oor kerkwees in homself te internaliseer en op vars maniere te verwoord! Hiermee saam het hy ‘n klompie radikale nuwe insigte op ons elkeen se kerklike voorstoep kom neersit. Lees dit … en droom saam oor die kerk van die Here in die nuwe werklikhede wat voor ons staan.”

Stephan Joubert
Taken from “Nuwe Drome vir Nuwe Werklikhede” by Nelus Niemandt

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When we asked Stephan about his position regarding the Emerging Church and his introduction in Nelus Niemandt’s book, he replied with the following via e-Mail:

Geagte Stephan,
Beskou jy jouself as ‘n behoudende teoloog?  Indien wel, behoort dit jou en mense om jou te bekommer dat jy Nelus se boek so hoog aanskryf, terwyl hy duidelik die “Emergent Church” propageer…

Kommentaar sal waardeer word…

“Dankie vir die skrywe.

Weet jy, my werk is oop vir almal om te lees en te evalueer. Elke dag skryf ek ‘n stukkie in Beeld en elke aand doen ek ‘n oordenking op RSG. Die boeke wat ek skryf en die materiaal op ekerk plaas my teologie in die helder lig van almal om dit in die lig te beoordeel. Oor my eie behoudendheid kan jy dus self besluit in die lig van Matteus 7 wat noem dat ons aan ons vrugte geken word.

Oor Nelus – hy is my vriend. Ek ken sy hart. En sy liefde vir onse Heer. Wat my meer bekommer, is dat die persoon wat teen emerging churches is in daardie seminuaar kennelik nog nie een enkele boek gelees het nie, en nie ‘n idéé het wie of wat dit is nie. En dat hy Matteus 18 grensloos oortree deur nog met Nelus, nog met my te praat. Is dit nie wat mens propaganda noem nie?

Vrede,
Stephan” (sic)

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Comments:

  1. The issue about RSG and their view on Christianity and the Bible is debatable…
  2. Ironically he mentions the fruit in Matt 7, but in the context, the first thing that Scripture touches on is to “beware of the false prophets…”
    When discerning the Emergent Church they are rather confusingly handing out snakes as if fish in the context of Matt 7!
  3. He goes on to say “Oor Nelus – hy is my vriend. Ek ken sy hart. En sy liefde vir onse Heer”.

One should question and also be concerned if any person for that matter, let alone a pastor/minister says something like the above…

What does the Bible say?

Jer 17:9-10 (9) “The heart is more deceitful than all else And is desperately sick; Who can understand it? (10) “I, the LORD, search the heart, I test the mind, Even to give to each man according to his ways, According to the results of his deeds.

I am afraid, Stephan Joubert has not passed the test and according to Matt 7 v 15 is possibly a wolf in sheep’s clothing or he is deceived…

  1. Please read the The true context of Matthew 18

Stephan Joubert se assosiasie met Ron Martoia

Transkripsie van prof Stephan Joubert se reaksie op die WTL seminaar reklamemateriaal


 

Rob Belltom-rob-bell Lifestyle C / Leefstyl C

Emerging Church
The social gospel which is being repainted by Emergent Hollow Men like Rob Bell.

Books
Velvet Elvis by Rob Bell – Reviewed by Bob DeWaay.

Rob Bell “Undefines” Holiness

One step forward and three steps back

The Emergent Church– A new wave of evangelical identity

The Mindset of mockers in the last days

Cloning

Channelling

Weaning Evangelicals Off the Word – Part 3 | thebereancall.org

Awana News | thebereancall.org

The Shameful Social Gospel | thebereancall.org 

Hello Dalai | thebereancall.org
Desmond Tutu and Emerging Church leaders Doug Pagitt and Rob Bell. …

TBC Today | thebereancall.org

Velvet Elvis Oratory | thebereancall.org

More on Rob Bell:

Lighthouse Trails Research Project


 

Thomas Bandythomas-bandy Lifestyle C / Leefstyl C

“A Whole New Species of Church Is Emerging” according to him.

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According to Tom Bandy, “a whole new species of church is emerging.” This emerging church is “not a machine”–“preoccupied with theological purity, ideological correctness, and behavioral conformity”–but “an organism.” This “organism” “worships differently, thinks differently, and depends on an entirely different kind of leadership.”9 This “new species of church” is the “Spiritual Redwood” growing in the midst of the diverse, cultural “forest” (GSR; p. 21).

Click here for endnotes and to read this entire chapter from In the Name of Purpose.


 

Bob BufordBob-Buford Lifestyle C / Leefstyl C

Making Way for the New and Improved Church

Saddleback pastors, including Rick Warren, Bob Buford

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Ken BlanchardKen-Blanchard Lifestyle C / Leefstyl C

The Emerging/Emergent Church
Ken Blanchard and a whole host of others, seeks to cater to the postmodern mindset while using diaprax to achieve its goals. …

Ken Blanchard – Promoting New Age Meditation

Ken Blanchard: Leading like Jesus or being managed by Other Forces?

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Martin Buber
Eckhart, Thomas Merton, Martin Buber, Richard Foster, Henri Nouwen, Basil Pennington and several others, all of whom promote a panentheistic, New Age view of God.

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Tony Campolo

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Tony Campolo
One can only wonder what Tony Campolo means by some of his radical statements he has made and the positions he takes. Some call him a prophet…

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Chuck Colson
The Global Transformation of Redeeming Cultures
Chuck Colson holds to a modified teaching of reconstructionism and modern day dominionism to reform the culture, by taking the culture back:

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Mark Driscoll

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Does Mark Driscoll Belong at John Piper’s Conference?

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Peter Drucker
Schuller Planted, Hybels Watered, Warren (Peter Drucker) Gives the Increase by Orrel Steinkamp

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Eddie Gibbs
Rick Warren Connections

Mount Vernon Nazarene University Bringing Contemplative/Emergent Speakers
 

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The New Christians – by Tony Jones

Emerging church leader Tony Jones’ March 2008 release, The New Christians: Dispatches from the Emergent Frontier,may not come as a shock to those who have already read Jones’ books, An Emergent Manifesto of Hope and The Sacred Way. But it does provide further insights into the true nature of the emerging church. In The Sacred Way, Jones openly acknowledges hisaffinity with mysticism. With chapters on labyrinths, stations of the cross, the silence, centering (mantric) prayer, and more,

Jones’ leaves no doubt that he embraces eastern-style mystical prayer practices. In An Emergent Manifesto of Hope, he takes it to the next level. The thesis of that book could be described as:

The Kingdom of God is already here on earth, includes all people, all faiths, and in fact is in all people and all of creation and can be felt or realized through mysticism which connects everything together as ONE.

Tony Jones: Leading the Youth Toward Mystical Spirituality

Emergent Manifesto – Emergent Church comes out of the Closetmanifesto http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?s=Emergent+Manifesto+review&search=Search

Emergent Manifesto of Hope is the new release from Emersion, a publishing partnership between Baker Books and Emergent Village. The book, edited and compiled by emergent leaders Tony Jones and Doug Pagitt, is a collection of essays by various emerging church leaders. Pagitt says the book “provides a rare glimpse inside the emerging church.” This “rare glimpse” actually lays out the agenda of the movement, and in essence Emergent Manifesto is the emerging church’s coming out of the closet tribute.a
     
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Dan Kimballdan-kimball Lifestyle C / Leefstyl C

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Reinventing Christianity for Our Day

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Enter the labyrinth 

Dan Kimball, who wrote the article further writes “It was joy to see so many …Dan Kimball pastors Graceland, a postmodern worship service at Santa Cruz …

Dan Kimball : Lectio Divina and the Silence

“We have neglected so many of the disciplines of the historical church [Desert Fathers], including weekly fasting, practicing the silence, and lectio divina.”—Dan Kimball, The Emerging Church, page. 223

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Thomas Keating Articles on Ecumenism and interfaith “unity”

Who is Thomas Keating

“There are already a number of Christians who are practicing the various types of contemplative prayer promoted by Richard Foster, Thomas Merton, Thomas Keating, and others. A good portion is being promoted through the Catholic contemplative prayer movement. Many of these same people are open to or already doing labyrinth walks as a meditative practice.”
Let Us Reason Ministries

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Erwin McManus –
His Goal is to “Destroy Christianity”
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Special Report:
The Barbarian Way

Others Who Have Endorsed Erwin McManus’ Books – Rick Warren, Leonard Sweet,John Ortberg

This book has a new apostolic and Dominionist view
From Community Connections, Mike Oppenheimer, Let Us Reason Ministries


 

Thomas Mertonthomas-merton Lifestyle C / Leefstyl C

Thomas Merton – Contemplative, Mystic, Panentheist

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NEW AGE Pathways in the church

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Blue Like Jazz by Donald MillerAnd His Other Works

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 Henri Nouwenhenri-nouwen Lifestyle C / Leefstyl C

Henri Nouwen and Buddhism …

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Universalism in the World has Permeated the Church by Sandy Simpson

Emergent Delusion A Critique of Brian McLaren, A Generous Orthodoxy by Pastor Bob DeWaay


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Doug Pagitt, Solomon’s Porch and Christian Yoga

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Robert Webberrobert-webber Lifestyle C / Leefstyl C

Robert Webber The Emergent Church- A new wave of evangelical identity by Pastor Steven W. Cornell

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Research Archive

New American Standard Bible; The Lockman Foundation

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(David and Deborah Dombrowski)

Deception in the Church (Sandy Simpson)

Let us Reason (Mike Oppenheimer)

Book; Faith Undone by Roger Oakland

Understand the Times (Roger Oakland)

The Berean Call (Dave Hunt)

Moriel Ministries (Jacob Prasch)

Lifestyle C Christian Page

DVD; New Streams in our Theology (Sarel van der Merwe)

DVD; Seminar Exposing the Emergent Church

 

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